dong ([info]dongstyle_ltd) wrote,
@ 2007-02-03 01:57:00
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Current location:Sydney, Australia
Current mood: tired
Entry tags:visual art

Travel sketchbook
While in Malaysia I did take along my scrapbook as I wanted to do some sketches. I'll post a few of them here because I feel like it.

On the plane, since I decided to stay awake, I attempted to do some concept sketches for the costume. This is inherently silly- the character will be my flimsy excuse to attempt to make superficial referents to an entirely fictional culture. Hell if I know how I'm going to do that but hey, no harm in trying, so because I feel like banging my head against a wall, I'll do just that: it's fun.





I quickly realised that I was trying to, as usual, when I attempt to draw something I suck at, cram too much into too little. I recognised the images in my mind- I wanted to start with something that looked like a Shaolin performance gi (because of the single sleeve) plus a few other references, so I had to work it out of my system. Then I figured that for the kind of dancing I want the character to do, he'd be better off in typical breakdancing gear...but that's not what I wanted to end up doing. So I tried again the next day:





This is much better- I've got the following down pat:

  1. He has 1 sleeve and leggings. These are each made from a rectangular strip of cloth.
  2. Hence they'll require a fair bit of ribbon for tying. The costume is showy and so the ribbons will trail around alot.
  3. The sleeve will extend to the index finger.
  4. The leggings will probably split at the back.
  5. He wears a G-string of sorts...this is also made from a ribbon and a rectangular strip of cloth, folded over.
  6. He has a shoulderpad. I'm not sure about the size, shape, or how it relates to the sleeve.
All this indicates that there is very little stitching, if any at all, on the costume. Maybe the only place this happens is on the shoulder guard, which will probably be important- it may denote some kind of rank/skill level/specific role.

Now, I have a few other pressing questions which you might be able to see on the sheet itself, although then again these are horrible scans as I did them post-haste.
  1. I'm hoping to have some kind of text running along the length of the sleeve and legging. The question is should it be embroidered or dyed, and what kind of text should it be? Or should it just be symbols and patterns? This is directly related to the culture...so it's a question I should only be asking people who would be interested in helping me 'generate a culture' (which would likely be a waste of your time, as I don't even know what this character will be used for...he's the child of folly).
  2. Should I incorporate any other ornaments into the ribbons themselves?
  3. The sleeve shape...I don't know if I want it loose/baggy or relatively form hugging, as shown in the above sketches.
  4. How to tie the ribbons and whatnot I've left relatively open- the character will decide this based on his performance repertoire, most likely.
In case you haven't figured yet, he's this guy.

Now, it's late and I'm tired as I have a memorial service to go to in the morning (2nd anniversary of my father's death), so I'm going to paste my description of the next pic as shown on DeviantArt. Also note that the DA version is lifesize @ 96 dpi and made to fit my widescreen exactly, whilst the VCL version is smaller so it fits on the Windows default fax and picture viewer.





This is a complete image but it may be actually colored/background filled and framed if I want to draw a cartoon sequence of some sort. So this probably isn't the last version you'll see!

I did it while sitting in my aunt+uncle's office (they run a forklift-parts-supply business in KL)...took me about 45-60 minutes all up which I think isn't too bad nowadays. And I'm quite pleased with the result.

If you've ever watched any of the dozens of HK movies starring Jet Li as the legendary Wong Fei Hung (the Once Upon in China series for a start...just google the discography, the list is HUGE), then you will know his portrayal of the legendary technique "No Shadow Kick". For those of you who don't...basically it's a flying barrage of sweeping kicks, and it usually takes the opponent completely by surprise and is very powerful. The way Jet Li does it, it's hilarious, but also impossible unless you know wire-fu.

Or you have wings and can hover in the air. Like Orlestat, my Shaolin peregrine. The other character in the pic is the warrior hyena, Jahari- who belongs to Strawcat. The pic itself was from a road-testing of sorts- as he wanted to use Jahari in a text-based roleplaying game and had spent much time on the character due to his central role in the setting. We don't think that the story universes that the two occupy actually ever cross, so the image is "not canon" as far as that means anything at all...but that isn't going to stop me from having my fun with it! Besides, Orlestat and Jahari are hot.

Okay, that's enough for the time being. Any more help with the costuming thingy would be much appreciated, I guess. Now I go sleep.



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[info]indigo_the_cat
2007-02-02 08:57 pm UTC (link)
I personally think you should stick with baggy. But again, that depends primarily on your usage and what you want portrayed. Dancer, fighter, or hybrid? (I am aware of what his occupation is.)

Oh, heh, and the second outfit. I personally like it, but the image resulted gives the impression of a clubber type. It definitely radiates dancer. The "ribbons" (I call them armwarps) tie in a more exotic/occult/underground feel to the ensemble, and the idea of them twirling about with his already scandalizing appearance interprets the idea that this particular dancer might be doing a strip show. The leggings pull into that as well.

In my opinion, I would leave the shoulder pad and the sleeve is good baggy. What I think might be interesting to experiment with is a frontal sash to the pelvis. That way, you could still keep the leggings and g-string, but it would make the outfit appear much less provocative, and would give the ribbons something on the torso to tie in with. (Here is a screenshot of Frost's Alternate Outift in MKV to give you my reference point. http://mksecrets.hit.bg/cage10.07.jpg )

As for the symbols on the leggings (I'm assuming that's where you wanted to put them) I would just do a basic outline pattern on the edges, and maybe throw in one symbol or word-glyph in the center. If you start getting things too detailed or intricate, it will definitely cause distraction and may take balance away from the costume. However, do as you feel. :)

I dunno if this helps or not, but you know me, I like to put in my two cents.

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[info]dongstyle_ltd
2007-02-02 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Aha! We are both thinking on the same lines with the frontal sash...I debated about it for a while because I think it looks better, but the style of dancing largely forbids it. However, you did lose me a bit talking about ribbons something to tie in with...now I am reminded of...evening lingerie.

More background is in order, then! The character's history will involve something along the lines of underground elements, yes, the history is (as I may have mentioned before) basically ganked from the history of Capoeira. The dance style is similar too- the kicker being that this guy thinks it is a dance style and is largely unaware of the combative potential. So he's technically a dancer, not a fighter or hybrid.

I'm also thinking of making the glyphs incidental- they'll run up the outline of the cloth i.e. around the bottom and up the split. Just a matter of how to generate a language. This might be my excuse to look into linguistics.

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[info]indigo_the_cat
2007-02-03 12:16 am UTC (link)
I can see what you mean it being forbidden. However, I've seen all sorts of fighting styles (dances, too) where the frontal sash was present. And remember, he's underground and it's a made up culture? Unless there is some only extremely major cases of "it gets in the way" ideology, I wouldn't hesitate to add it. Remember, being a dancer encorporates show as well as practicality. (Fashion and function)

Oh, and for the language, why not try Esperanto instead of making one up? It's not commonly known, and yet it is still a learnable language. If you know anything about it, too, you also know that the pronunciation is very easy, the alphabet simple, and there are no irregular verbs.

If you want to make up a language, I'd suggest keeping it very simple. (Unless the character represents a more futuristic time.)

Don't forget your basic grammar rules as well. Somehow, you have to encorporate at least verbs and nouns, Subjects and predicates. Grammar isn't the same for every language, but every language utilizes many of the same rules and ideas, just in different ways. The reason creating a language will take effort and thinking is because most languages are similar to others and have many cognates among them.

Good luck!

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[info]dongstyle_ltd
2007-02-03 07:17 am UTC (link)
I've kept the practicality versus showmanship firmly in mind- that is in fact the motivation for my asking other opinions. As you can see, the trailing ribbons is the latter. I just think that with the kind of style of dancing, a frontal sash will end up looking fugly most of the time, so...no.

The ribbons themselves may have a practical usage, also. This may give me hints about the general context so long as I can formulate a more specific relationship between the dance subculture and society.

I am not going to use Esperanto. I wish to try avoiding anything with any particular generic ethnic association i.e. Anglo, Caucasian, Asian etc. etc. My main struggle is setting the time.

As for grammar, I'm going to hold off on any assumptions before I actually learn a real thing or two about linguistics itself. I specifically want to think about what the grammar suggests about the state of advancement of the civilisation.

Thus I do indeed want to create a new alphabet. I'm vaguely reminded of Kipling's How the Alphabet was Created (if I recall correctly.)

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[info]indigo_the_cat
2007-02-03 12:18 am UTC (link)
Oh, and were you planning to create a new alphabet?

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[info]true_anti_hero
2007-02-04 05:02 am UTC (link)
A B C D... A B C D.... A B C D....

You know F comes after D.

Yea I learned that two years ago... A B C D.... A B C D....

XD

A possible thought, but if he's going to have his legs wrapped he should also have his ankles done as well? I know for a fact, after running around these past two weeks in nothing but my work boots after slipping back into my sneakers I can barely stand up due to loss of muscle there. I think I need to either add a few pairs of socks or loosen the laces, or both. O.o

Though I guess it's already been said the shoulder pad should go. Perhaps a ribbon around his neck to make his movement's seem all the faster? Also for thought a possible front shirt with a laced up back? Think of like a shoe with a normal sleeveless shirt up front and just in the back. Allowing him to be eye catching without offending all but the most conservative of peoples. I mean, god forbid he is punished for indecent exposure. ^.-

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[info]dongstyle_ltd
2007-02-04 05:58 am UTC (link)
I actually considered a neck ribbon...gave it up though. Definitely on the impractical side given the combative aspects of the dance. So too with the front shirt.

The leggings I've decided to be much freer and easier with. Then it occurs to me that if I just tied the ribbon around the damn hams, unless I did it real tight and then, yeah...would get the problems you did. So I might end up making them look like the lingerie after all, lol.

The indecency quip has given me a few more ideas about cultural context, though, no, I'm not going to make compromises for that ;)

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[info]true_anti_hero
2007-02-05 04:03 am UTC (link)
Yanno I'm gonna make a char for your bunny, and have him arrest him or something fore indecent exposure. :P

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[info]dongstyle_ltd
2007-02-06 02:40 pm UTC (link)
Hah, arrest Jahari! He only wears a loincloth!

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[info]crayzeelikeafox
2007-02-05 06:06 pm UTC (link)
....Naked bunny? *Squeak*

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[info]dongstyle_ltd
2007-02-06 02:41 pm UTC (link)
Yes...yes...quite right. NAKED BUNNY right this way, ma'am.

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